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Kurdish in relation to other languages

Guti

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Kurdish is categorized as a Northernwest Iranic language. It belongs to the same group as the language of the Medes. Kurdish as a Northernwest Iranic is recognised being an 'Aryan' language or a language spoken by the ancient 'Aryans'. Those ancient Aryan folks spoke a Western Iranic languages. Ancient Persians spoke a Southernwest Iranic language, while the Medes spoke a Northernwest Iranic language.

It has been shown many times that the modern Kurdish is more archaic and 'pure' than Persians/Farsi. One of the points to support this notion is that Kurds has still an ergative construction. There is evidence that Persian lost ergativity a long time ago, while Kurdish still retained it’s archaic ‘Aryan’ ergative construction, since we know for sure that ancient proto-Iranic language were also ergative.

Kurdish genealogy tree

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Guti

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Some claim that Kurdish is derived from the Scythians language. But that is not true at all, although Kurdish, as the Aryan language of the Medes, was influenced by the Scythian Northerneast Iranic dialect.

It is true that Kurdish is very close to the 'Saka' language, but Persian is even closer to 'Saka'

As you can see, the distance between Kurdish and Saka is 45.9, while the distance between Persian and Saka is 44.3. It is possible that Persian is much more influenced by the Eastern Iranic dialects.

Kurdish to Saka
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Persian to Saka
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Guti

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The score between Kurdish and Farsi is 35,4. That means that Kurdish and Farsi are closely related languages and that the common ancestor between Kurdish and Farsi 4000 years ago.

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Guti

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It is also very interesting to see that Saka is closer to Kurdish and Persian than to the Ossetic languages. Nevertheless Ossetic is closer to Persian than to Kurdish.

Ossetic to Saka
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Ossetic to Persian
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Ossetic to Kurdish
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Guti

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Kurdish as an Aryan language is absolutely not related to the Semitic or Turkic/Mongoloid languages. The distances between those groups is HUGE. But it is very interesting to see that Kurdish is a little bit closer to Turkic (83,2) than to Arabic (Semitic) (91,2).

Kurdish to Arabic
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Kurdish to Turkic
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Guti

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The common ancestor between Kurdish and Russian is more than 6000 years ago! The distance between both is 76,9 ad that is almost 'no recognizable relationship'. Unlike some people believe, the Aryan languages are not really related to Balto-Slavic group. Both groups only share globally some very vague and distant PIEan ancestors.

Kurdish as an ARYAN language is not really related to Slavic languages.
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There was no such thing as BaltoSlavic - Iranic group.
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Guti

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The distance between Kurdish (Aryan, Northernwest Iranic) and Vedic languages (Indo-Aryan-Dravidian) or even modern Eastern Iranic languages is bigger than most people think!
Common ancestors lived almost 6000 years ago! Those Punjabi-Pakistani people have nothing to do with the ancient Aryan people of the Mesopotamia


Kurdish vs. Punjabi
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Kurdish vs. Pashto
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Guti

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Kurdish = ARYAN (Northerwest Iranian)
Polish = Western Slavic

As you can see here Polish language has nothing to do with the Aryan language and the Aryans of the Mesopotamia (the Medes, Sargatians etc.) who spoke Aryan languages.
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Guti

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Zazaki is a 'Kurdic' language and therefore also part of a Northernwest Iranic group. Zazaki and other Kurdic langauges such as Gorani, Kurmanji and Sorani share the same archaic Kurdic/Median ancestry.

As evidence you can see that the distance between Zazaki and other Kurdish dialects is very close, 26,7.
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Also, it is TRUE that of all Kurdish dialects, Zaaki and Gorani are the closest to the Saka, even clsoer than Persian.
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Guti

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Modern Persian is directly derived from Old Persian and the distance between both languages is very small as you can see here. Both dialects very closely related.
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But the distance between Old Persian and Kurdish/Zazaki is much bigger, what means that Kurdish is not derived from the Old Persians.
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Guti

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75,6 is the distance between Kurdish and Armenian and it is bigger than I thought! But Armenian is still closer to Kurdish than Russian.

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Guti

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Just for fun I am going to group all those languages in order of kinship.

Some notes here. a) Kurdish is closer to Japanese than to Arabic. b) Somehow Kurdish is very close to French. o_OThat explains why my command of the French language is great. :)

Kurdish
26,7 Zazaki (a Kurdic dialect) (Northernwest Iranic)
35,4 Persian (Southernwest Iranic)
45,9 Saka (Northerneast Iranic Scythian)
52,8 Old_Persian
59,3 Bengali (Vedic)
61,2 Pashto (Eastern Iranic)
63,1 Ossetic_(Iron) (Eastern Iranic)
64,4 French
65,8 Punjabi (Vedic)
66,7 Hindi (Vedic)
68,3 Italian
69,5 Sindhi (Vedic)
72,6 Russian (Slavic)
75,6 Armenian
76,9 Polish (Slavic)
82,3 Turkish (Altaic/Turkic)
83,7 English
86,9 Aramaic (Semitic)
87,9 Hebrew (Semitic)
88,3 Georgian
88,3 German
91,1 Japanese
91,2 Arabic (Semitic)
93,2 Zulu

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Guti

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According to me Italian is the most beautiful language on this planet. And it makes me pleased to see that Kurdish is closer to the Italian language than let say to Russian or other Slavic languages.
Distance between Kurdish and Italian is 68.3. Almost similar to French!

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Guti

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Avestan is the oldest Eastern Iranic language they could find. Proto-Avestan migrated from Kurdistan (Upper Mesopotamia) into the BMAC. To my understanding it was ancestral to the original language of the Scythians. While Kurdish is a Northern West Iranic language there are still many similarities between the two languages.

And it makes sense that Avestan is closer to other Eastern Iranic languages like Saka and Pashto than to Kurdish. But to my surprise Avestan is also closer to Vedic Bengali and Sindhi or even French than to the Aryan Kurmanji Kurdish.

But of all languages Zazaki Kurdish is the closest language to the Avestan Eastern Iranian language


Avestan distance to
42,1 Zazaki (Kurdic dialect)
42,2 Balochi (Western Iranian language closely related to Kurdish)
45,0 Saka
47, 6 Ossetic_(Iron)
48,5 Pashto
54,2 Bengali
54,8 Sindhi
55,1 French
55,2 Kurdish
57,1 Italian
57,3 Hindi
60,5 Punjabi
61,3 Russian
64,6 Polish
64,7 Latvian
77,5 German
78,4 Armenian
87,0 Arabic
88,4 Aramaic
88,8 Hebrew
88,8 Turkish
91,1 Georgian

 
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Guti

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I think that Zazaki/Dimili and Hewrami/Gorani dialects of the para-Kurdish language family are the most influenced by the Eastern Iranic languages like Saka/Scythian. Kurmanji is much more native to Kurdistan (Upper Mesopotamia/Zagros).
 
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