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Proto-(NorthernWest) Iranic aka UPPER Mesopotamian Aryan Y-DNA haplogroups

Guti

Active member
Which Y-DNA haplogroups are according to you guys were proto-Aryan (NorthWestern Iranic)?

Kurds are the most ultimate NorthernWest Iranic people and Kurdistan is the very same ancestral homeland of the ancient NorthernWest proto-NorthWestern Iranic Gutian/Kassites people. The Gutians were the founding fathers of the Aryans who came later and defeated the Semites (Akkadians/Assyrians) in the Mesopotamia and Babylon. Their native homeland was located in Kurdistan/Gutium. Those Aryans (NorthWestern Iranic people) were divided into some Aryan tribes who later were known as the Sagartian (Asagarta), the Medes, the Vitii, the Carduchi and others who were later unified under the Medes and became known as the Medes themselves.

Modern day Kurds are the direct descendants of those ancient Medes/NorthWestern Iranic people. Most Kurds today are Sunni, but many Kurds were NEVER Islamized and preserved their native Aryan religion. Those Kurds are the Ezdi Kurds. Ezdi Kurds speak Kurmaji as their native language and the native langage of their religion is also Kurmanji. Their religion is still very closely related to the ancient Aryan religion called Mythraism.
Since Ezdi Kurds practise 'endogamy' because our religion prohibits marrying outside the Yezidism we can assume that the Ezdi Kurds are still very close to the ancient Medes. The native language of the Yezidism is Kurmanji, while the native language of Islam is Arabic.

Few years ago a study was done on Ezdi Kurds from Ezdixan (Shexan and Shengal). And these are the results.

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As you can see, the Y-DNA of the Ezdi Kurds is a little bit different from other Kurds. It is possible that is because cause due to a bottle effect, because Ezdi Kurds are just a small part of the greater Kurdish race.
The auDNA of Ezdi Kurds is identical to a Kurdish average, so we Ezdi Kurds are ethnic Kurds and nothing else.

Since ancient Aryans dominated the Northern West Asia/Upper Mesopotamia for thousands of years, I'm sure that there was a some kind Aryan gene flow into other local non-Iranic people such as the Armenians and the Semitic Assyrians.

As you can see Ezdi Kurds are very rich of J2a1b, G2a, R1b and L. There is also some R1a, J1 and E1b1.

Personally I do belong to an ancient native R1a*. The homeland of my R1a* has always been Kurdistan. Although I am sure that the origin of R1a* is in Kurdistan, most of R1a-Z94 in Kurdistan arrived with the Scythians and other 'Eastern' people from SouthCentral Asia.


So we have got the Y-DNA of modern day Aryan population (Northern West Iranians) and Y-DNA from the ancient Iranic people from Kurdistan and BMAC.
Ancient Iranic DNA tells us that ancient Iranic people belonged to J2a1b, G2a, R1b, L and some clades of J1 & E1b1. Eastern Iranic BMAC was full of Northern West Asian Y-DNA such as J2a, G2a and J1. They were NOT R1a. They even found J2a, G2a, E1b1 and J1 in the ancient Iranic people who were evolved from BMAC.

The reason why Kurds have more R1a than their neighbours is because there was some Saka/Scythian migration into Kurdistan. It is most likely that those Scythians imported R1a into Kurdistan and that it has nothing to do with the proto-Aryans (Northern West Iranic people).

So, my conclusion is that the ancient Aryans (Gutians/Medes) of the Upper Mesopotamia belonged most likely to the similar Y-DNA haplogorups as the Ezdi Kurds and the BMAC people.


Proto-Upper Mesopotamian Aryans were predominately J2a, G2a, R1b and L with some minor haplogroups such as J1, E1b1, T and R1a*.
 

Guti

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It is the R1b and J2a that connects Aryans to other Indo-Europeans such as Armenians, Greeks and Hittites in the so called greater Graeco-Anatolian-Aryan family group.
R1b was also a second (2nd) stage proto-Indo-European haplogroup that was found in Yamnaya.

R1a-Z93 has nothing to do with the proto-Indo-Europeans or even proto-Aryans. R1a-Z93 was just widely spread in Central Asia much, much later by the people such as the Scythians.
 

Guti

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I have always known that Aryans in Kurdistan are as old as the stars in our heaven.

When Salmannaser I fought the Mitanni, he called them the GUTIANS. And the very same Gutians were the ancestors of the Aryan Medes.

The Gutians are very ancient people and most likely closely related to the ancient Ubaid Sumerians who live in Upper Mesopotamia. So, I am almost certain that Ubaid Somerians were Gutians from Zagros who migrated into the Upper Mesopotamia and found an Aryan civilization in Kurdistan


Check this out:

some earliest traces of the Aryan: evidence from the 4th and 3rd millennium B.C.

 

dodona

New member
99% without any source references, and the final 1% includes a doubtful reference to a well known marionette of the totalitarian 'iranian' dictatorship.
 

Guti

Active member
source reference of what? If you want a source where I got the Ezdi Y-DNA, then it is from this study. It is not even done by Kurds, but by our enemies such as Turkmen and Arabs:



Btw, I would rather believe Iranian sources than Semitic Jewish source that spread only lies about the 'Aryans'. Semitic Jews are still suffering from the Holocaust and it is one of the biggest reasons why they spread disinformation about the Aryans.
Or some Polish 'wannabe Aryan retard'..


I hope soon Kurds can do their own studies on their DNA so we will be 100% sure about it and not dependent on 'others'. The others lie a lot about the Kurds. But no matter what fact on the ground will never change. Our Aryan DNA is there and Kurdish is a true Aryan (NortherWest Iranic) language.
 
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Guti

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Btw, going back to the Sumerians. It is not possible that Early Sumerians were similar to the Late Sumerians.

Upper Mesopotamia was Aryanized by the Ubaid Sumerians around 7000BC, while Uruk period started 4100BC.

There is a gap of 2900 years between the first Aryan Ubaid Sumerians and the Uruk Sumerians of Southern Mesopotamia. In 3000 years there has to be some mixing. I am sure that the Aryan Ubaid Sumerians were very different from the Uruk Sumerians.
There are many connections between the Aryan Ubaid Sumerians and the Iranian Plateau.

Ubaid Sumerians were Aryan (Iranic related to the Iranian Plateau), while the Uruk Sumerians lived in the Southern Mesopotamia where is now Iraq in the south and homeland of the Shia Arabs.


So, Mesopotamia was first Aryanized by the Aryans from the Zagros Mountains around 7000BC. Those Aryan farmers brought the first human civilization to Mesopotamia. It is after the Ubaid period when Mesopotamia started to flourish and became great and centre of the world. Later, Aryan Mesopotamia was slowly replaced by the Semitic kind of Uruk Sumerians from the South.


even this Swedish professor agrees with me : https://rootsofeurope.ku.dk/english/calendar/archive_2009/euphratic/
 

dodona

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Btw, I would rather believe Iranian sources than Semitic Jewish source that spread only lies about the 'Aryans'.
stop antisemitism!!!

Jewish scholars belong to the very best of their disciplines. You can't compare them to a paid storyteller of a totalitarian 3rd world dictatorship suppressing the iranian people and iranian scientists!
 

Guti

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stop antisemitism!!!

Jewish scholars belong to the very best of their disciplines. You can't compare them to a paid storyteller of a totalitarian 3rd world dictatorship suppressing the iranian people and iranian scientists!
Jews HATE Iran. They try everything that others would attack Iran. Netanyahu even created ISIS/Daesh to defeat Iran. Every time when they find an opportunity Jews spread lies and propaganda on Iran and the Iranian people.

Nobody should trust the Jews if it is concerned Iran or the people of Iran. Or even the Kurds. All the Jews do is to promota their Semitic propagnada and try to make the whole world look Semitic.

Btw, the Iranian government is anti-Persian. All they try to do is do destroy the Persian identity of Ira and promote the Islamic identity of Iran. Most recent studies on DNA that came from Iran are mostly written by the Turkic Azari/Turkmen people who are spreading anti-Indo-European propanganda in Persia!
 

Guti

Active member
stop antisemitism!!!
I started to dislike the Jews when they helped Daesh/Isis Islamic terrorists who committed a genocide on my people (Ezdis) in Shengal. I will never forgive the Semitic Jews about that.

They started to be hostile toward my people and from now on they will get the hostility back. What goes around comes around! Semitic Jews lost all the sympathy from me
 
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